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ZENN Car

December 18, 2007 · 10 Comments

Rick Mercer did a great spot on the ZENN car (Zero Emissions No Noise) that is manufactured in Quebec and available in the USA. However, it can’t be licensed in Canada (except for BC.) I sent the link to a video to a few friends, and one followed it up with our provincial vehicle license registrar. Her first email was:

I was just wondering when residents of Saskatchewan will be able to licence, and therefore buy, the ZENN car. If you have not yet heard of this Canadian made product, I have included a YouTube video below that explains the concept.

The next day, the following came back:

Hello,
Low-Speed Vehicles (LSV) such as the Zenn (Zero Emissions No Noise) are not eligible for registration in our province. As discussed in the recent CBC article, Zenn has recently received certification from Transport
Canada for the manufacture of LSV’s. Vehicles certified by Transport Canada as LSV’s have virtually no safety or performance requirements in comparison to conventional vehicles (i.e. passenger cars, trucks and SUV’s) and are not intended for operation in mixed traffic.

LSV’s are manufactured in compliance with Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 500 that applies to “Low Speed Vehicles”. CMVSS 500 only requires LSV’s to be equipped with some minor safety equipment, such as glazing, lighting, and seat belts; and there are no performance requirements for the installation of this equipment. A conventional passenger vehicle must be manufactured to meet up to 40 Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (CMVSS) with provisions for crash avoidance, crash-worthiness and occupant protection; in order to be eligible for retail sale within Canada. In order to promote public safety on our highways, only vehicles that comply with the Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards for Transport Canada certified passenger cars, trucks, power-units, trailers, multi-purpose vehicles and buses are eligible for registration here (an LSV is not certified for use on public roads).

Low-emission, hybrid and electric vehicles are eligible for registration here (and are certainly encouraged) as long as the vehicle safety systems such as, but not limited to, the structural/frame, braking, steering and occupant protection systems comply with the applicable CMVSS for the specific vehicle class and are certified as eligible for use on public roads by Transport Canada (through the Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations). Again, please note – LSV’s are vehicles NOT considered to be manufactured for use on public roads or suitable to mix with regular traffic. They are designed for short trips in areas where access of conventional traffic is controlled or restricted.

I hope this helps, thanks for your inquiry.

Huh? This convoluted response drew a further inquiry, which has gone unanswered as of yet:

Thanks for the information. However, I’m still not sure if I can drive one on the roads in our province. From what I’ve read, BC has done what it needs to do to “licence” the ZENN so it can be on BC roads. Is our province NOT planning on doing the same as BC? Could I buy a ZENN in the USA and then bring it across the border or is it banned entirely?? What else is a LSV? For example, is this the same category as scooters? Do they need to be licenced?? I definitely need more info.

This all brings up the question — to what extent does our government’s ties to oil (and dependency on oil for revenue) ensure that technologies that could possibly reduce our dependence on fossil fuels are squashed in bureaucracy?

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10 responses so far ↓

  • Rob V // December 24, 2007 at 5:48 pm | Reply

    Yup Ya gotta wonder where they are coming from. I’ve been following the Electric car thing for some time now. I live in BC..I was thrilled when I saw our Transport Minister on the news ..driving a GEM car and telling us that he would change the law to allow these to be used.. I don’t know who was talking him into it …or if it was his idea… but I was shocked and pleased. So if he thinks it’s cool then whats up with the other provinces ? In your neck of the woods you can drive a frickn tractor down the road ? Your Honda Rukus scooter is considered a LSV and is licensed as such… and “mixed” traffic isn’t even mentioned. Plus where’s the seatbelts? We need government that has OUR best interests at heart. The Zenn car is just too cool…

  • kristin // January 9, 2008 at 6:16 pm | Reply

    I just recieved a similar letter from the Ontario Ministry of Transportation and think that the the safety issues that they and Transport Canada point to are entirely a red herring.

    Their position is not only ridiculous, it is criminal. These are people who really do not understand the crisis of global warming and the lives that are at stake if we don’t get it under control right now. They also don’t understand the report that was put out by Toronto’s medical officer of health that demonstrated that air pollution contributes to 1,700 premature deaths every year and 6,000 hospitalizations (http://www.toronto.ca/health/hphe/air_and_health.htm.) The safety of LSVs has to be looked at in a more balanced manner. If crash safety was our only concern in transportation we would have to close down all the 400-series highways because of all the deaths and injuries on them.

    These are vehicles that could easily be used right now in dense urban areas where speed limits are 50km/hr. These are the same roads that countless people use bicycles on, including bicycles with child-carriers on the back and child chariot rear attachments. I’m sure Transport Canada would ban bicycles if they thought they could get away with it.

    We have to keep putting pressure on our politicians to adopt these clean technologies that are available right now and stop waiting for the perfect solution. This isn’t a perfect world, but we have some viable and affordable solutions created by some innovative Canadians!

  • Kathy // January 15, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Reply

    Funny, the provincial governments must have a mass produced letter to send out. I just got a very similar response from the Alberta minister of transport.. Harry Parenteau… stating that they do not allow these on the highways as they do not meet the safety regulations, I of course, responded with – I was not asking about the highway, but the urban centers – in the cities and towns of the province… and to please forward to me a copy of the safety criteria they would need to meet. I will see if they reply or not…

  • Perry // January 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Reply

    I have just recently learned of the ZENN car, a small slow vehicle made in Canada and totally quiet and has no emissions. It recharges off a normal home outlet, in as little as four hours. It won’t go far per charge but will do more than what most of us need on a daily basis. It isn’t for the road trip to another city but perfect for a reasonable commute and all those short trips around town. Transport Canada has been pressured by Canadian citizens to approve of this vehicle only in the last couple months. British Columbia is the only province that currently allows for low-speed vehicles on its roadways, once again B.C. takes the lead! Now it is up to the indidivdual provinces and their Ministry of Transportation to introduce and pass legislation that will allow for these low-speed vehicles to use our roadways. It will take public pressure to move the provincial governments in this direction because they are still being unfairly influenced by big business and corporate agendas. I am attaching the text that I have sent to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation so that you can have it as a reference for what you might want to say to them if you were to write to them or your own provincial Ministry of Transportation. I hope that helps in some way. I am also placing a number of contacts and web addresses in this email so that you can see some of what this amazing little vehicle can do, do not miss the YouTube video of the report that Rick Mercer did on his Rick Mercer Report show, it is priceless. I hope you will be able to join this movement, it would be such a positive step for us all to get out of our oil-based vehicles and into these practical and ZENN based cars.

    ZENN company website:
    http://www.zenncars.com

    Interesting videos of Canadian made ZENN electric car on YouTube;
    http://youtube.com/zenntv

    ***be sure not to miss the Rick Mercer video on YouTube;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c

    Facebook page to join in support of the ZENN car in Ontario (you will have to have a Facebook account and log in before you can view the group page);
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14522215155&ref=mf

    I sent my request to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation through the Ministry’s Internet comment page for the Ontario Ministry of Transportation at; http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/feedback/minister.htm

    The following paragraph is the text to the message I sent the Ontario Ministry of Transportation;

    I am an Ontario citizen and live in the Ottawa area. Now that the ZENN vehicle (a Canadian made electric vehicle) has been approved for Canadian use by Transport Canada, I would like to see the Ontario government move forward in drafting, introducing and passing legislation that would allow for low-speed vehicles to be used on Ontario roads. This sort of vehicle is desperately needed so that our reliance on fossil fuels and our environmental impact can be reduced drastically. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

    Regular mail can be sent to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation at;

    Honourable Jim Bradley
    Minister of Transportation
    M.P.P. St. Catharines

    Ministry of Transportation
    Corporate Correspondence Unit
    3rd Floor, Ferguson Block
    77 Wellesley Street West
    Toronto, Ontario M7A 1Z8

    Telephone or fax communication to the Ontario Ministry of Transportation can be found at the following numbers;

    General Inquiry at 416-235-4686 or toll free at 1-800-268-4686, or fax: 905-704-2001.
    TTY (Teletypewriter users): 905-704-2426 or 1-866-471-8929

    Info for other provinces;
    Alberta: http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/
    Saskatchewan: http://www.highways.gov.sk.ca/
    Manitoba: Ron Lemieux, Minister, Manitoba Infrastructure and Transportation, contact website for Manitoba government: http://www.gov.mb.ca/contact/
    Quebec: http://www.mtq.gouv.qc.ca/portal/page/portal/accueil_en
    Nova Scotia: http://www.gov.ns.ca/tran/
    PEI: http://www.gov.pe.ca/tpw/index.php3
    New Brunswick: http://www.gnb.ca/0113/index-e.asp
    Newfoundland and Labrador: http://www.tw.gov.nl.ca/
    Yukon: http://www.hpw.gov.yk.ca/
    Northwest Territories: http://www.dot.gov.nt.ca/_live/pages/wpPages/home.aspx
    Nunavut: http://www.gov.nu.ca/english/departments/

    If you are residing in the United States, then you are lucky because this Canadian made electric vehicle is already avaialble and legal to drive in your country! Come on Canada! Thanks for your time listening to this stuff, all the best,

    Perry

  • D.Chapman // January 23, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Reply

    Can I buy a Zenn car in Ontario ? :)

  • Ron // June 19, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Reply

    You can now legally drive a Zenn in Quebec. Now would be a good time to put more pressure on Ontario to follow suit!
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/17/qc-quebecelectriccar0617.html

  • R.Smereka // June 23, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Reply

    It’s great to hear that Quebec is the second province to allow LSV’s.

    I have just sent the Ontario Minister of Transportation some feedback on LSV’s as suggested above.

    Since Ontario was the ninth province to allow e-bikes on the road, I think that people are going to have to shame the Ontario government into action.

  • Josh // July 8, 2008 at 2:13 am | Reply

    HI I’M ONLY 17 AND WITH GAS PRICES GOING UP EVERYDAY IT HARD TO KEEP PAYING BECAUSE I HAVE MY LICENSE. I THINK IT IS PRETTY STUPID FOR ONTARIO, TO REJECT THE ZENN AND OTHER LSV’S AND I DON’T GET WHY EVEN IF WE COULD DRIVE THEM ON ONTARIO ROADS THAT IT COULDN’T EXCEED SPEEDS OF 40KM/H I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE THEM THE SPEED LIMIT EVEN IF IT MEANS 100KM/H ON HIGHWAYS COME ON WHY ARE WE RUINING OUR WORLD WITH ALL THIS POLLUTION. AS SOON AS WE CAN BUY ZENN CARS IN ONTARIO I WILL BE BUYING ONE IT WILL SAVE ME LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY AND IT IS BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

  • R.Smereka // July 14, 2008 at 7:51 am | Reply

    An update to my previous post,

    I just got a letter in the mail on behalf of the Ontario Minister of Transportation. The letter is basically about excuses, mostly suggesting that LSV’s are unsafe and reiterating that Transport Canada has proposed an amendment to the federal definition of an LSV. There is also some garbage about Ontario being committed to green technologies. Typical political rhetoric while ignoring the content of the comment I sent the minister.

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